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#21 Quadrochosis

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 10:50 PM

I think I'm the only person here who's favorite Black track is "Take More Than You Need"

In particular, the vocal delivery and the really funky guitar lead/solo thing in the latter part of the song totally make it one of the best songs on the spectrum for me.

Don't get me wrong, I love all the other songs on Black a shit ton, but TMTYN really stands out to me.

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 11:07 AM

take more than you need is the one with the omar rodriguez guest solo isn't it

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 01:34 PM

Filth and Squalor is one of the best tracks of the whole collection.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 08:24 PM

omnomnom whole tone scale.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 12:09 AM

major IV chord mode mixture om nom nom

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:41 PM

I find it really funny when people discuss theory about The Dear Hunter and Casey would just be like, "huh?"

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 05:51 PM

View PostSnork, on 24 June 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

major IV chord mode mixture om nom nom
wut?

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 12:07 AM

View Postwax wings, on 24 June 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostSnork, on 24 June 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

major IV chord mode mixture om nom nom
wut?

casey uses a major IV chord in filth and squalor ("...we'd be suffering") as opposed to a minor iv which would be diatonic
he mixes the modesPosted Image

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 12:08 AM

man these new emoticons are choice

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:31 AM

View PostSnork, on 25 June 2011 - 12:07 AM, said:

View Postwax wings, on 24 June 2011 - 05:51 PM, said:

View PostSnork, on 24 June 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

major IV chord mode mixture om nom nom
wut?

casey uses a major IV chord in filth and squalor ("...we'd be suffering") as opposed to a minor iv which would be diatonic
he mixes the modesPosted Image
you should probably let him know that he did that

#31 Tara Lynn

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 06:18 AM

i can dig on the music theory lingo happening, sprinkled here and there.

you say that sounds dark
i say that sounds minor

its whatev. some of us just joined band in 4th grade before our balls even dropped. dont hate on it.
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Posted 25 June 2011 - 07:11 AM

View PostTara Lynn, on 25 June 2011 - 06:18 AM, said:

before our chocolate even dropped.

fix'd for gender pseudoneutrality as per c. crescenzo

archon of nothing
and lord of dispersing
but i cannot keep
my cursive phalanges
from fucking cursing


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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:19 AM

casey uses iv chord mode mixture like a boss

in bitter suite part III he goes major IV - minor iv - minor vi for a deceptive cadence
it's insane. no one uses a borrowed iv to resolve to the relative minor
it's madness
but it's so goud

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 01:13 PM

Minor IV, See: Paul McCartney


Also, that 'we'd be suffering' chord isn't IV I don't believe.

Far as I can tell the progression is c, Gb, c, Eb, Bb. Which would imply either c minor or Eb major, making that Eb under suffer- either I or III. (Probably I there, so that Bb is the V)
(I'm not so sure about that second c-minor chord, but the rest of it sounds right to me...)

a lá this:

c--------------------------(some tension of sorts here)
i always knew that the damned would inherit the earth/as soon
-----------Gb------c-----------------Eb-----Bb
as they'd learn to speak/we would be suffer-ing

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:07 PM

i agree with all of that except i think there's something more going on at the 'ring' of suffering
i think it's implied the first couple times he does it but i'm pretty sure when then harmonies come in it's something funky like that. the bass goes (assuming cminor) C-c-Gb-c//C-c-Gb-c//Ab-c-Gb-c//Ab-c-G-c or something like that, which definitely does not suggest a borrowed IV, you're right

but i think there's something more going on (there often is with this band)

about to try and figure it out

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:19 PM

So it's not Bb, it's F7. That's fun.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:23 PM

huh
:godbless:

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:29 PM

okay you're right there is no A natural on that chord
but it REAAALLY sounds like there should be/is.
it's not a Bb either, i'm pretty sure it's either an Ebsus2 or Fsus2. it sounds totally wrong if you play the Bb-

at the statement of the chorus at like 3:03 casey's main vocal line goes to an F while the harmony stays on the Cminor^6 or whatever they're doing. i harmonized along with it a bunch of times and it doesn't sound like anyone's singing a Bb on 'suffering'
i have a really good ear for most things except vocal harmonies (which sucks a lot), so i could be wrong
but i'm pretty sure the chord there is more or less Eb, F, G, C
which could scan as either a c-11^6 or an Fsus2^2 depending on the context.
and at the a capella part there's no bass giving you the root, so it makes it sound kind of dorian and awesome

try singing/playing it by yourself and just going up to an Fmaj at the end (or harmonizing it and going to a Bb on suffer and an Anatural on ring). it sounds fucking cool

but yeah as far as i can tell casey's arrangement has no A natural. :<



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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:31 PM

FUCK YEAH


do you guys think there'd be enough interest in me opening up a Music Theory thread for analyzing TDH songs and shit? i know we already have the tab forum but i'm not really interested in that. i just don't have a lot of people to talk about how Mustard Gas uses mixolydian of harmonic minor and then modulates to the subdominant for the chorus :<

also i'm sure casey would get a kick out of reading all of the insanely complicated and cool stuff he does without knowing how to read music

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 02:39 PM

Was that fuck yeah to the F7?
Also, I might not post a ton in it, but I'd lurk the shit outta that thread.




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