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#1 stretts

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 01:35 AM

I am starting this thread for all political/social/whatever discussions.

Firstly, I am interested in how LATR's, especially the US LATR's see the US constitution, is it dated? Does it need drastic changes, or will you protect your god given right to carry a glock in your pocket until the day you die?
I am mostly interested in your thoughts and feelings surrounding the second ammendment

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:01 AM

I'm interested in Education and, more specifically, Literacy. Would you say it is or isn't surprising that so many can't even spell simple words, like 'school', 'wednesday', or 'politics'?

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:31 AM

Health Care Reform is going to bankrupt this country (even more so than we already are).
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 12:17 PM

Yikes, Stretts, do you really want to open up this can of crappy worms? ;) I mean, the US Constitution, dude, it's wonderfully clear and wonderfully interpretable all at the same time. I guess it depends on whether you're believe in the literal word of texts or their interpretation and adaptation -- but that could get us into a discussion about religion. And I REALLY don't want to go there on LATR!

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 03:23 PM

bad people will always find ways to arm themselves. tightening the regulations only makes it tougher for the good to defend himself

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 05:52 PM

Well the 2nd amendment was originally designed in case of an invasion of the U.S. and to confront Native Americans, so i guess in that way its dated. However, if you are of the opinion (like me) that the governments job is to protect the sovereignty of the nation and rights of individuals, then the government has no right to take away a persons gun

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 06:41 PM

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rights of individuals

This seems a little strange as the native indians rights were not protected at all.

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bad people will always find ways to arm themselves. tightening the regulations only makes it tougher for the good to defend himself

Scott, if I were in your position I probably would agree with that, I find it difficult to grapple with the fact that you could be walking down the street in the US and anyone near you could be carrying a firearm.

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Yikes, Stretts, do you really want to open up this can of crappy worms?

I know it is a never ending debate sort of thing, Id just like some opinions.

Its funny coz if the second ammendment were to be adopted in Australia there would be a huge backlash against the government opposing it, itd probably lose hands down if it was posed as a referendum question.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 06:45 PM

concealed carry permits are another issue outside of simply being able to purchase a firearm.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 06:57 PM

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This seems a little strange as the native indians rights were not protected at all.

Hey Australians did the same thing to the aborigines. That kind of discrimination was just normal back then

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:09 PM

View PostScott, on 19 April 2011 - 06:45 PM, said:

concealed carry permits are another issue outside of simply being able to purchase a firearm.

ahk, in my ignorance I was unaware of these.

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This seems a little strange as the native indians rights were not protected at all.

Hey Australians did the same thing to the aborigines. That kind of discrimination was just normal back then

No joke, some horrible shit went down back then. The White Australia Policy was not abolished until 1972 :S Scary really considering the civil rights movement in the US was before then

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:27 PM

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No joke, some horrible shit went down back then. The White Australia Policy was not abolished until 1972 :S Scary really considering the civil rights movement in the US was before then

Ya it was all pretty fucked up, in both our countries. But i dont think australians are scared shitless by anyone darker than cream, like half (at least it seems like that when you watch the news) my country is

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:31 PM

I guess with a country as large as the US there are going to be places that have that kind of mentality. I think the only place id fear going in Australia (dont know if id call it fear...maybe apprehension) would be Kings Cross in Sydney.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:40 PM

View Poststretts, on 19 April 2011 - 07:31 PM, said:

I guess with a country as large as the US there are going to be places that have that kind of mentality. I think the only place id fear going in Australia (dont know if id call it fear...maybe apprehension) would be Kings Cross in Sydney.

Forgive me good sir, but i am unaware of Kings Cross?

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:50 PM

http://www.sydney.com.au/kingsx.htm

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Visitors to the area should be careful, especially at night, as people do get mugged here. The other thing to be careful of is the spuikers outside nightclubs: they can be intimidating and aggressive and have been a problem in recent times.

Its not that bad i dont think, I stayed in a hsotel there once. Its just a little creepy at night

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 07:58 PM

Hmm... sounds like every major city in america. This is why i like smaller cities better. Nature kicks ass!!!

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 08:13 PM

I'm of the persuasion that the second amendment more deals with the ability to have a firearm for the needs of a local militia. I'm really not in favor of everyone walking around waving their guns in the air (lol, hyperbole), and I'm not keen on the whole handgun malarkey, but like Scott said, bad people will always find a way to get their hands on stuff. Personally, if someone wants to own a rifle, I have no problem with it, that's their thing. But 'everyone must be armed because there could be someone with a gun at every corner' is a ridiculous philosophy, in my eyes, and is entirely unnecessary. I have never owned, and have no real plan to ever own, any firearm. That's just how I am.

ps, "rights of individuals" has always been a nice, idealist-sounding way of saying "the people in our club, not those other animals".



Also, Derek, how will health care reform bankrupt us even more? I'm assuming you mean the so-called "obamacare" because health care reform, by definition, simply means reforming the current health care system and, in my eyes, it's the current system (pre-obama's thing...) that's going to screw us over. We need to really overhaul this thing, and if that means getting everyone on some sort of insurance to start, I agree with it. For me, basic health care isn't something somebody should ever be denied, or bankrupt, because of. I understand that's far, far, far easier said than done, but hey, at least it's a goal to work toward.



And because uvtbass doesn't want to:

Religion. Let's talk about that one.
I like the dick analogy for it: it's okay if you have one, it's just fine if you don't, but don't try to shove it down me or my kids' throats.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 08:19 PM

View Postwax wings, on 19 April 2011 - 08:13 PM, said:

I like the dick analogy for it: it's okay if you have one, it's just fine if you don't, but don't try to shove it down me or my kids' throats.
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 08:49 PM

Yeah for me Wax, Religion is pretty simple and that sums my view on it very well.

As for health care, I do not know much about the proposed health care reform, as all I hear about it is that it is socialist/communist reform. TBH, universal health care is going pretty well in my country.

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 08:59 PM

I agree with wax. I don't like the second amendment as I think it's dated but I'm not too concerned as long as people aren't walking around with automatics or anything too crazy. Keep it in your home and I don't care much.
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:03 PM

50 million people and counting dont have health insurance. if it wasnt for obamacare i wouldnt either. he made it so i can be covered under my parents until i'm 26. no way would i have been able to afford any kind of care coming out of college. last time i checked unpaid internships dont have many benefits.

so if i would have been mangled in a car accident i wouldn't have been able to pay for it. the bill would have been sent to a creditor and that would demolish my credit. so any hopes of getting a loan to buy real estate are pretty much gone. the weird thing is the housing market is also going downhill in the U.S.

my perspective could use some hard numbers, though.
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