Derek and Chris Argue in a Thread of Politicis and Social Issuesand for me to understand more about the US constitution
Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:05 PM
This is my personal opinion, judging by the post office, and just our government in general, we will not be able to execute universal healthcare efficiently. At a time when we have deficits and debt, the ends don't justify the means because healthcare is a privilege not a right. Finally, there are definitely issues that need the money first i.e. the infrastructure, the education system, all the foreign wars, and the freakin economy
Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:14 PM
ya it does, at least while they are with their parents. After that, that individual person will determine if they get that privelage. If you work hard in school when you are young, you can succeed and gain that privelage (and i know thats a generalization thats not ALWAYS true). Unfortunately, we are a world of classes, this is natural and unavoidable, and the upper classes will have things that the lower classes don't. Just be thankful that we live in western countries where there is class mobility
Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:22 PM
And you are happy to accept that pockets of society are margenalised and oppressed, which makes it extremely difficult to succeed and gain that privelage?
Is it unavoidable? or has it been created by the powerful through the ruse and glorification of capitalism?
Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:55 PM
That said, I conceal carry half the time and take my gun to work as a part owner of a very small business with no security or loss recovery methods. I have a tactical shotgun as well at home and shoot my .40 Glock at least once a month because I LOVE guns. The mechanical nature of them is absolutely enthralling to me.
I don't believe health care is a privilege, that seems completely out of touch if you are a citizen of a modern society who is willing to follow the laws and pay your taxes. If you live somewhere you are depending on their security and infrastructure, it seems like health care shouldn't be a "for profit" industry. The thing about "converting" our health care system has already been said - it can't be done. Its a total tear down and rebuild. The billing and coding system, the networking, the laws and procedures, all out the window.
I don't know if universal health care is the answer, I want to think it is because I've been in the situation with a young family and no money and no insurance. I've been under insured and had to have a surgery done, took 5 years and about 15 grand to pay for my knee. This current system is completely broken and something has to happen - vouchers and health savings accounts are a joke. I think that people should be made to pay the needed taxes(the level depending on income brackets) in order to get universal health care. The dated insurance policies and certain greedy unions are just a few of the things that are making it impossible to manufacture things in this country. How is that unfair or unconstitutional? People pay taxes for other said municipalities, why not pay to be able to take your child to the E.R. without fear of walking out with a $2,000 billing?(also happened to me).
HA! Classes. Capitalism was created before a REAL global economy existed. Its completely possible to work hard and be more successful in a moderately socialistic economy. Capitalism only saves her nicest rewards for those who already have wealth. With a disappearing middle class we here in the states are faced with the ultra rich exporting jobs and a ballooning poverty level. Soon we'll have an aristocracy, even worse than the current one and there isn't going to be any way for the economy to make money. Its going in this all import no export direction and it just makes the whole nation more and more poor. Its completely apparent by the way Congress cannot pass a tax on the ultra wealthy so they are paying only %25...the same amount as a self employed person making under 40G a year.
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:01 PM
Im happy in the fact that capitalism rewards the intelligent, creative, and talented, more so than any other system. Of course this isn't always true and stupid people are rich, while smart, diligent people aren't so lucky. Thats just it though, so much of success depends on luck that we could never have a perfectly merit based system, but capitalism comes close.
Yes it is absolutely unavoidable. By biological predisposition through thousands of years of natural selection, we are programed to compete with our fellow humans for power. We cannot have a system without classes because as long as there is one person with intelligence, or some other positive trait, he/she will gain an edge over others and thus be above them and create a class. This argument would of course be invalid if those intelligent people curbed there natural urges for the greater ideal of a classless society and did not inflict their influence on the people. Yet this cannot happen because universal ideals inherently do not exist (i am a sartrean existentialist) and thus people cannot create a classless society
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:09 PM
And hey, Kelso, havnt seen you for a while
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:19 PM
I understand that this is the ideal of a capitalist society, but a.) our society isn't truly capitalist and b.) it flat out doesn't happen. You can't pull on bootstraps that you don't have.
In terms of health care, the fact that the heads of insurance companies in other countries laugh in disbelief when you ask them "would you consider running your company as a for-profit company?" scares me. Our system is so backwards.
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:26 PM
uh.. were not talking about pure capitalism, thats only leads to shit. But pure socialism is shit too, a balance is key and thats what we have now. And Really? Capitalism rewards the people who already have wealth because they are intelligent enough to use it. Can you blame corporations for exporting their manufacturing? why would they produce in the US when its cheaper elsewhere. It easy to complain about it, but your reaping the benefits every time you buy a 3$ shirt at Khol's. We've always had an aristocracy and good luck changing that, and if you knew econ. you'd know that an oligopoly is really the only viable free market structure that can make a long term profit. Taxing the wealth would even worse for the economy cause there the ones who make all the freakin jobs. Why should the rich pay a higher percentage than everyone else because they succeeded? its all percentages! taxing something creates less demand for it, and if you tax success people arent gonna want to expand business and succeed. All the taxes and EPA b.s is killing my uncles company thats already in a recession.
p.s. 40% of americans don't pay any taxes at all, tell me how thats fair
p.p.s im lovin' this thread stretts, i'm always ready for an intellectual discussion with someone of a different perspective. With my family i'm the liberal, on here im the conservative, i love it
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:29 PM
The forum needs a little bit of conjecture every now and then
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:36 PM
Ya, and it makes me mad none of those bastards are goin to jail, but this is where the balance part of regulated capitalism comes into play. theres a place for government regulation and making it illegal to be a cheating wall street bastard is a place for it. But we should bash rich people cuzz of a couple of assholes
i had to look up conjecture its gonna be my new work
Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:39 PM
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Posted 19 April 2011 - 10:47 PM
trololol haha ya its all bullshit they ALL should pay some taxes (Corporations and poorer people both), but if you think about it those companies are at least paying millions to economists and lawyers to not pay taxes and that money goes back into the economy, so its not all bad. When companies expenses are less, it costs less to buy things. More taxes on big companies make everything more expensive
i think we should have a flat tax, 10-15%, across the board.
Thats what i was thinking! get out of my mind uvtbass!
it wasnt whole corporations, just the assholes at the top
Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:00 PM
That is the level of conservativism in my family, they love Palin, Trump and worship Foxnews. I speak for my genes when i say im embarassed
Posted 19 April 2011 - 11:05 PM
And stretts if I'm starting to think like you, I must be doing something not too screwed up!
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